Concise Minutes - Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee

Meeting Venue:

Hybrid – Committee Room 5 Tŷ Hywel and video conference via Zoom

Meeting date: Wednesday, 10 December 2025

Meeting time: 09.20 - 12.43
This meeting can be viewed
on Senedd TV at:
http://senedd.tv/en/15474

Hybrid

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Attendance

Category	Names
Members of the Senedd:	Mark Isherwood MS (Chair) Tom Giffard MS Mike Hedges MS Rhianon Passmore MS Adam Price MS
Witnesses:	Andy Swinburn, Welsh Ambulance Services University NHS Trust Craig Flannery, Mid and West Wales Fire & Rescue Service Lee Brooks, Welsh Ambulance Services University NHS Trust Dean Loader, Mid and West Wales Fire & Rescue Service Anna-Louise Marsh-Rees, Covid Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru Sam Smith-Higgins, Covid Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru
Committee Staff:	Fay Bowen (Clerk) Nathan Owen (Second Clerk) Lowri Jones (Deputy Clerk) Adrian Crompton (Auditor General for Wales) Matthew Mortlock (Audit Wales) Masudah Ali (Legal Adviser) John Hitchcock (Researcher)

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1 Introduction, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.

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2 COVID-19: evidence session with the Welsh Ambulance Services University NHS Trust and the Fire and Rescue Services

2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of the Welsh Ambulance Services University NHS Trust and the Fire and Rescue Services.

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3 COVID-19: evidence session with the Covid Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru

3.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of the Covid Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru.

3.2 The representatives of the Covid Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru agreed to share a copy of a statement by the First Minister for Wales with the Committee.

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4 Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting

4.1 The motion was agreed.

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5 COVID-19: consideration of evidence

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

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6 Forward work programme

6.1 The forward work programme was agreed.

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7 Private paper to note

7. The private paper was noted.

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7.1 Letter from Dean Medcraft, Finance Director, Corporate Services and Inspectorates Group (CSI) - Welsh Government to the Chair regarding the Welsh Government Annual Report and Accounts 2024-25

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